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Saturday, September 28, 2013

HHO Water Powered Cars - Forbidden Technology?!

Can you convert a car to run on water only

(HHO gas is a stoichiometric mixture of Hydrogen and Oxygen, known officially as Oxyhydrogen, derived by water electrolysis)

 The first thing people ask when they are told a car can run on water is usually: well then why hasnt it caught on. Or well why hasn't this person or that person that claims to have built such a vehicle, why have their attempts to market it not worked out if it supposedly works? Simply put, the oil barons will never allow this to be mass marketed, just as they covertly fight to keep electric cars from taking over the market, a water powered car represents an even greater threat to their empires.

 
First video proves that if money is no object a car can indeed be made to run on Hydrogen from water, albeit in this method it is bottled only at atmospheric pressure for pressurizing vehicles tank as well as piped into home appliances and furnace. This is a viable concept and can be done on a much smaller and less expensive scale, however the premise of this post is a water powered car where onboard electrolysis consumes water producing the HHO gas to propel the vehicle, whether pressurized or not.

 A smaller system to the one shown can be fitted to a truck, whereby a commercial electrolysis unit pressurizes a Hydrogen holding tank running off high wattage roof and hood mounted solar panels and by plugging in if/when necessary and then engine runs off basic air compressor pressure regulator as throttle control, and electrolysis is increased as well to the tank with vehicles charging system when operating. This would definitely work, the question is how well, and is there an easier way. Bottling or pressurizing the gas assumes that sufficient volumes of HH0 cannot be generated on demand however there are examples of such a system and it is the premise of this post that a vehicle can be made to run on HH0 alone and generated on demand and onboard, with or without holding tanks, pressurization, or addition of solar panels to system.

 Fuel cells which take the HH0 and recombine it into water making electricity in the process is shown on a huge scale in first video also and on a smaller scale in the japanese water car video further down.




This above video shows another car running off a home filling system with a commercial Hydrogen generator, on a smaller scale than the first, but still where hydrogen is made at home and used to fill tanks, this time into hydrate tanks. (There are easier ways documented online to make homemade metal hydride hydrogen storage tanks than discussed)  Propane tanks could be pressurized to 150 psi just as easily with air regulator for throttle control, however range may not be great, and again the premise of the post is that Hydrogen can be generated onboard in sufficient volume to run a car, but theres no reason why he cant take this system and add solar panels and the hydrogen generator and put it all together on a larger vehicle. The point is that it is absolutely possible to make a vehicle run on Hydrogen from water, and there are many ways to consider, (these special holding tanks would be great, but not essential as the first video shows using normal propane system).   Another interesting old video of  Lazars Hydrogen fueling system - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIz29JHJmMk


Its quite possible to convert a car to electric for example that far surpasses gas powered models in power to weight ratios and cost to run, but what about on demand Hydroxy Gas powered cars? Could this be the key to extending the range of electric vehicles or eliminating the use of fossil fuel by some other means? I sure think so.

Now Lets talk HHO and how to do a conversion: 

I have verified at least one part of this whole HHO running a car subject, that you can easily convert water by electrolysis into this flammable gas, and it indeed is extremely powerful even in small volumes. Take a car battery and some jumper cables attached to two peices of stainless steel and a bucket of water and see for yourself, hold the metal close together underwater (dont contact them together obviously!) and you will see bubbles rising off the exposed metal where it is closest between - and + leads. These bubbles will form surface bubbles to some extent which can then be lit on fire and will explode with a small pop and flash of light and heat to show that its indeed splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen. Ive experimented with various homemade units in the past and bottled the gas at atmospheric pressure and I assure you it can be extremely dangerous. Just know that indeed these bubbles are extremely flammable and if you fill a container with them and then see if it will light, it wont just light, it explodes!!! (woops)

 I believe that the best way to go about producing HH0 to run a car is with an actual industrial oxyhydrogen generator, which are readily available for sale in the $7000 plus range and beyond... If you have the money and the time this is the best way to make a water powered car, in my opinion... Youl likely not be able to create your own HHO generator that could even hold a match to the commercially available units for gas flame/plasma cutting, and it can be quite dangerous as well... An important consideration is that these professional Oxyhydrogen generators produce the Hydrogen and Oxygen independently, allowing the pressurization and storage of the Hydrogen alone. Please note it is extremely dangerous and illegal to pressurize or store Oxyhydrogen, as it is extremely explosive and easily ignited. Remember the Hydrogen will not combust without Oxygen, the same concept holds for propane storage, the fuel is safe from any possible explosion while contained, but with Oxyhydrogen the mix is ready to burn as is with no added air.  If one were able to produce enough Oxyhydrogen on demand that would be a workaround, or store a very limited supply of the pressurized gas to be regulated into intake, or if one was able to build a high quality generator that contained the Hydrogen separately from the oxygen and fed into several metal hydrate tanks for regulated dispersal into the engine intake.

Perhaps if you had the skill you could duplicate the design of a larger unit like this below for example - way overpriced but by a long margin would produce enough gas, just need to throw enough amps at it. My point is buy one of this craftsmanship or try to build it, just dont make some crappy little unit you see in a million youtube videos. (If you do make a crude or improvised device please be careful and consider the risk of shawdy craftsmanship beyond poor performance)


Getting enough power to run such a device may require getting a higher amperage alternator in my opinion however further down youl see a commercial torch device like the above pic that claims to only take a few amps at 240 volts and with a dc to 240 volt ac inverter running it, it would presumably run easily with a standard 60-150 amp 12 volt alternator and battery powering it.

Hydrogen/Oxygen mixture from water is an absolutely perfect technology, so feared by the trillionair banksters and oil barons that many have died attempting to bring its use into fruition. Many industrious people are quietly burning water as fuel unhindered by the detractors and policy makers however. Just dont make waves I guess is their mantra.

The storage capacity of water is unparalleled, locked within a single gallon of water is something like 1800 gallons of flammable gas, 2/3 hydrogen, 1/3 oxygen. The mixture burns clean with absolutely zero emissions, the only byproduct is water vapor. A typical high end HHO powered vehicle can go hundreds of miles on a single gallon of water! When the gas is burned it actually turns back into water anyway! Storing this gas is a non starter, water is the obvious storage medium, vehicles would have an on demand water electrolysis cell and simply be fueled with water. Electrolytes added to the tank remain in suspension allowing for use in winter climates and lower amperage electrolysis, with only the addition of water as a requirement. Sea water is even used in cold weather environments or elsewhere despite its corrosive properties.

Hydrogen vehicles and hydrogen fuel systems being dubbed the wave of the future is simply a hijacking for profit to thwart advances and ensure the stranglehold on consumers. They use basically the same electrolysis a water car incorporates to split the water into its constituent gasses, discard the oxygen and bottle the hydrogen to be resold to fueling stations for prohibitively priced automobiles. The truth is any car can run on water with the right conversion. You can even convert your car to run on water yourself with off the shelf equipment known as oxy-hydrogen gas torches. There are many commercial units available for glass polishing (smallest units) to high precision cutting torches (more appropriate units I assume). These devices when sized accordingly and set up to run off of a vehicles electrical system provide the backbone of a simple diy conversion. Additional charging system capacity and batteries, appropriate voltages, and timing advance all have to be accounted for but I assure you it is quite possible and many have such devices running their vehicles. Naysayers tell you that it takes more electricity to split water into gas than you can get back out but I assure you this is a carefully planted hypothesis by the corporate masters.

You can simply buy an oxy-hydrogen generator, a good size one sold as a gas torch, and run it with a 240 volt ac inverter on your gas powered car or truck and run the gas lines into the air intake. (they have regulators built in to use as throttle control)  (You may need to beef up charging system, buy high amp alternator or get yours rewired) Use a relay off ignition running your inverter (or generator itself if its dc) so the HHO generator can only produce gas when your engine is cranking over or running. HHO really isnt that dangerous (it dissipates into air quickly) but it is dangerous producing huge volumes of the gas into intake if engine is not running.



Next video is an example of  a person using a basic oxy hydrogen welding torch to run a car.  These oxy-hydrogen  generating units can be seen at this link - http://www.alternatefuels.com/h2o1.htm. These are widely available units ranging in sizes far larger than required to run an automobile, the one pictured above and at previous link is the unit reportedly running the car in following video.
 

With a little trial and error, common sense safety measures, and assistance if required from a skilled and opened minded mechanic, and you too can be running your car on water with off the shelf consumer goods. No need to wait for a simplified unit like Meyers was perfecting being allowed out (NASA Space Command Suppressing and Hoarding Technology, (among other quasi governmental agencies)), or attempting to build your own high volume electrolysis unit or confusing low amperage setup.

The technology is so fantastic that even high amperage oxyhydrogen generators can be made to run any gas engine flawlessly and with zero emissions and zero fuel costs. From there you can put together a home generator, run the exhaust into a barrel of water to ensure quite operation and to reclaim what little water fuel is burned to break free from the oil monopoly for good. Just do it quietly and humbly so you dont end up like Meyers, who made his own oxyhydrogen generator to run his car, was attempting to mass market a miniaturized design for conversions, made quite a show of it and was thwarted at every turn before being assassinated. (His devices at the end were only slightly larger than a sparkplug and youd run water injector lines to one on each cylinder)

(Next - Myers early video in the Limelight)

 

 Heres another interesting video purporting to successfully run a vehicle off water with pressurized regulated hho production from a homemade meyers style tube electrolysis unit.



Heres another example of a vehicle running on water as fuel, although i believe in this case they are using a small commercial glass polishing unit that produces the hho and it is ran through a fuel cell which produces electricity by recombining hho back into water to charge this electric cars battery banks
 

10 comments:

  1. check this out hhokitsdirect.com/

    I just don't understand why people are NOT doing this !!

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    1. they ARE! check out HHOResearch.Com they seel consumer friendly kits that bolt in to your car in less than 60 minutes

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  2. Its expensive to do right is the problem I see

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  3. Sterling Allan covers water powered engines quite thoroughly on his peswiki site. There are many who claim to have done it, and I am sure that there are many who have quietly succeeded and told nobody. There are other, better ways to generate power. But given the ubiquity of the Infernal Combustion Engine, it would be a real game changer to have people converting their engines over to water en mass.
    http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

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  4. Never read about these cars just imagined in dreams of having a wonder car tat runs on water.But it seems that it is reality but very expensive indeed.

    Thanks
    Bruce Hammerson

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  5. You cannot, I repeat cannot compress hydrogen into a propane tank, period, end of story. 1) hydrogen and oxygen explode so you would need to evacuate ALL oxygen from the cylinder. If you're using HHO forget that, it has it's own oxygen in the mixture. 2) The amount of space necessary to compress hydrogen far exceeds the capacity of a propane cylinder. One gram of hydrogen takes up as much physical space as 11 liters of oxygen. 3) Did I mention it will explode?

    Now, do some research into storing your hydrogen in a metal hydride state. There are three ways to store hydrogen, 1) freeze it at -238 degrees Celsius, 2) compress it at 20,000 PSI and lastly 3) absorb the hydrogen into a metal hydride.

    You can take a cylinder the size of a 12 gram co2 cartridge, fill it 80% of the way with a metal hydride and it will hold 12 liters of hydrogen. It still needs to be compressed, but at 112 psi, not 20,000

    Now you're asking yourself, where do I find metal hydride. Well the easiest place is inside NIMH rechargeable batteries. The negative terminal of a NIMH battery in most cases contains LaNi5 which is a good metal hydride for storing hydrogen.

    The outside case of a NIMH battery (in all cases is the size of a AA battery) and made of stainless steel. It can be cut open using a good pair of wire snips. Make a small snip in the metal and peal it like an apple in a circular fashion. This will remove the outside casing. Unroll the two metal plates. The inside plate is the positive side (contains NOOHI and not very good for hydrogen storage) and the outside plate is the negative side, that's the one you want. Scrape the metal hydride from the nickle plate and you have LaNi5. Collect enough of it and you can fill a small cylinder.

    Be careful of the white film that separates the two plates, this is potassium hydroxide and works like an acid. Use gloves and wash your hands with water when you're done.

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    1. Excellent comment thankyou. Do you know of an easier method of fabricating larger metal hydrate tanks? Can you use aluminum powder inside an acetylene tank? I understand that this is complicated by the necessity of heating the hydrate to release Hydrogen, and by the complication of needing to separate the oxygen out before storage but it seems proven that indeed this method is a surefire mode to successfully running a car off Hydrogen from water electrolysis. (see second video on this post) Im apprehensive to attempt such a complicated and dangerous diy experiment but metal hydrate tanks even just small useless ones are prohibitively expensive. The first stage will be attempting to produce Oxyhydrogen at such an unprecedented level that no storage, pressurization or containment of any kind is necessary, and to learn as much about Hydrogen production, storage, and utilization in an internal combustion engine in the meantime for a plan b on making my truck run on water and providing a DIY open source plan if successful.

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